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Pag«2 THE DAILY COLLEGIAN Wednesday. ?iove«aber 12,' 12,1 THE DAILY COLLEGIAN Editorial Being pragmatic Candidate Ronald Reagan made some awfully simplistic and ridiculous remarks during the camp¬ aign season. In one interview, he said mat air poll¬ ution was "substantially" under control. In another, he suggested sending American troops to Cuba to counter the Soviet Union' s rape of Afghanistan. The most surprising thing about these remarks is not that he said them, but that he seemed to believe what he said. A Reagan administration based on such narrow- minded remarks would be a dangerous one which might polarize world opinion against this country, at a time when flexible policy is needed to deal with the crucial foreign and domestic issues at hand. But if the current Carter-to-Reagan transition efforts are any indication, there's hope that a Reagan presidency will be tempered by pragmatism rather than shoot-from-the-hip rhetoric. It was good news this week to hear Reagan aides talk of the need to form a coalition government of sorts- one that would be responsive to a variety of political views, rather than right-wing religious groups like the Moral Majority. The Reasan team also supports the nomination of moderate Republican Howard Baker, R-Tenn., as the new Senate majority leader. It was also reassurins to hear that Reagan is considering sever¬ al politically middle-of-the-road figures like Sen. Henry Jackson tor administration posts, rather than right-wing extremists. With the campaign season over, Reagan can now settle down to the business of governing. We can only hope that President-elect Reagan will continue to show more common sense than candidate Reagan did. By Steve Schmidt K Letters to the Editor Existance of God To we Editor: it a nice to get a response at last from as intelligent and knowledgeable a letter writer as Professor Haas of the biology department. In many respects I agree .vmi much of Haas' letter of Nov. 4, al- uwjgn ne seems to assume, understand- aoiv out incorrectly, that I might be more in opposition to his position than I am. i agree with Haas that the evidence of UM natural world is insufficient to consti¬ tute 'proof* of the existence of God. Cer- uuuy not with absolute Euclidian logic. My point has been, though, that there ivave oeen numerous intelligent and sen- wuve men who thought the evidence was very good. I have mentioned Newton, fCatm, and von Harnack. The former two ieii tne evidence was so strong that it was sutficient proof for themselves, al- ► uwugn Kant said that he could not prove a to another person who did not admit tne validity of the evidence. it seems to me that the soundest sden- tino position is ignoticsm. I shall repeat —iot tne third time—'The scientific method is primarily based on an attitude 01 scepticism.* That has been my un¬ varying position in all my letters on this suoiect. Scientific evidence neither proves nor disproves the existence of God, and it is very unlikely that it will ever do so. i also believe that a theist position manes more sense than an atheist one. eiiner theism or atheism can be held only on the basis of a certain amount of laitn. The theist, however. Is usually mucn more aware and more honest aoout that component of faith than is the atneist. If I have interpreted Professor r-'iscner's remarks correctly, he believes mat science gives evidence—perhaps even proves—that there is no God. Tnat, however, is both inaccurate and illogical. It is illogical because empirical means can never prove the universal non-existence of anything—including unicorns. It is inaccurate in its concept of scientific method and .what science is try¬ ing to do. Science is probably unable to provide information about the First Cause of to answer 'why* the universe or anything exists. Perhaps, as Mr. Hurtt implies In his ! letter of Nov. 3, there is no teleology and no reason for us to strain to invent one. I understand that position, but what I do not accept, and what probably neither Professor Haas nor Mr. Hurtt would ac¬ cept, is the simplistic notion that science proves there is no God and there is no teleology or purpose in the universe. Science does not—and probably can not —prove anything on that score one way or another. I think that a theistk position has more evidence to support it than does an athe¬ istic one. There is after all an extraordin¬ ary degree of order and uniformity in the universe, and many feel it is unlikely that such a degree of order and uniform¬ ity came about by accident. Indeed it should be noted that the concept of uni¬ versal laws was developed almost exclu¬ sively in monotheistic cultures. Neither the Chinese, with their marvelous tech¬ nological inventiveness, nor the Hindus, with their highly developed mathemati¬ cal skills, quite got around to developing 'the notion of universal physical laws the way they were developed in Christian See Letter* page 3 Daily Collegian •auaWa.00 gaga a jaaja la | ilMte^Ma*" "■ BaalCaXSaalaSuuUilaaraXy. r—». aad ■nh mm. OfMaaa mpmmi ara ahaa »...Ja\*Taaa> fcjaa.nMaaai .i liiinaaiii ami farr* Maaaa. ra- Cariaa. Dmmt faaW. Jaaaa Wmmm »% jSaaaat *aa~ laaS». Jaffflmlaj n, Artar ima. Oiaaa Saabr, Or.g ot^^a, t*^7 C^^rra. amaaia/llii. fiaaa Malaaa. Ora* TVaa. Oaaa.aiJnniillli .Oaafaaaatra. JaaaMMaViaaajpr """par Afaar Ai.,.^,1 J<i i-a.-a- affiMhB naSamaav Sam Ms •aaaaaaaa MM Jaaa gkOk ' iMaaaaarjXB aaAJaaMKia/l SW-ytraa-a-rja n» Oat} Caaajaa.'. VgSaja aaa mmmi la at* Aaaa Ca.rn, »■■« m aw CSur TVPaaSOni a»aaawaaaraf **< mammmmmtmu inniiai iiOftu. "■■ SaaaatSttaara V "... Letters Continued from page 2 Europe by Christian astronomers and physicists. It is not possible that the inspiration tor conceiving of universal physical laws in the work of Kepler, Galileo, and New¬ ton was due in large part to their as¬ sumptions of one creator Cod acting intelligently and uniformalry throughout the universe? If so, Mr. Hurtt might see that "...a society In which the .people are so thoroughly imbued with the J udeo-Christian notions of vitalism and determinism* might have been on the whole more conducive to the develop¬ ment of science than a hindrance to its development. The order of the universe, the still un¬ explained peculiarities of gravity and of the nuclear forces, the mysteries of life, the mysteries of thought, memory, and imagination—may all be reasonably interpreted as evidence of Cod. So may Mr. Kant's conscience. They do not con¬ stitute proof, but they may be evidence. I am at a loss, however, to figure out what evidence there is for the non-existence of Cod. Therefore, I would conclude there is some tentative evidence for the exist¬ ence of Cod, although no proof. On the other hand, there is neither proof nor evidence for the proposition, 'There Is no Cod.' Therefore, the theist position is more in accord with scientific evidence than is the atheist, which has been, all along, my chief point. From the above I think I can also argue that an agnostic leaning towards theism has a more valid scientific argument than an agnostic leaning towards atheism. The chief argument alleged against theism by those of scientific mind is the reasoning principle known as 'Occam's riror.' Named for a sometimes dissident Roman Catholic theologian of the four-; teenth century, William of Occam, Itj holds that you should slice away any un- ' necessary assumptions in a deductive argument. By extension it is taken by many of our contemporaries to mean that you should not allege the existence of Cod without direct proof. Therefore, since there Is no direct proof of the existence of Cod, mention of Cod should not be made in a scientific exposition. There is, however, a contrary princi¬ ple, which, I believe, is at least as scien¬ tific. This principle holds that when the causes are unknown, you mention the various possibilities, and, where it may be sensible to do so, you try assigning tentative probability factors. Obviously, in the creation of the universe, or the creation of life, the workings of gravity or of nuclear forces, one possible causa¬ tive factor is a conscious, purposive Cod. Therefore, it might be better scientific practice to mention that and to keep it in mind. As I have said, Galileo, Coperni¬ cus, Kepler, Descartes, Pascal, Leibniz, and Newton did, and their procedures may not have been worse than our own, even if we now know a great deal more about the physical constituents of the universe than they did. There is one other point in Professor Haas' letter that I would like to comment on. He asks, *|f someday human intel¬ lect is able to understand gravity as we now understand infectious diseases or the cause of floods, will we then have to remove Cod as the proximal cause of yet another phenomenon?* The answer, I believe, is "No.-" I chose gravity as an example because although its effects are observable. Its mechanism is one of the least under¬ stood things in physics. It is, therefore, one of the greatest mysteries and at the same time an obvious commonplace. However, the postuUtion of Cod as Utter Reality and First Cause is not logically connected to our understanding of the operation of any of the phenomena which Cod may have created. Physicists may feel they know a great deal more about matter than they do about gravity, but that does not negate the possibility that Cod created matter jand keeps it orderly through the effects of nuclear forces and' gravity). To know that lightning Is an electrical phenomenon may make Zeus' thunderbolts or Thor's hammer seem less probable—but not necessarily Allah, Yahweh, The Trinity, or Aris¬ totle ' s First Cause. f would also like to make a few re¬ marks regarding Professor Haas' state¬ ments on evolution, but this letter is already too long and I will have to do that in a separate one. David N. Jones Associate Professor of History Racism To the Editor: I am directing this letter to white people who are concerned about the problem of racism, as an introduction to a set of "Consciousness-raisers* which hopefully will help in our efforts, to end this terrible problem in our culture. Institutions and ourselves. What I'd like to examine here Is the fact that racism exists on both a con¬ scious and unconscious level in all of us. and that the unconscious behavior will need some serious attention to un¬ cover. Freeing ourselves of racism will be a difficult kind of challenge from that of working to end sexism (another very serious problem in our society). Most of us have daily contact and com¬ munication with both men and women, but this may not be the situation for ethnic minorities and whites, since many whites are sufficiently 'ghettoized' (white friends, white neighborhoods, white religious institutions, white music, etc.) that we do not have much daily contact with minorities (Third World peoples). I feel that it is this isolation which creates and encourages fear and distor¬ tion, an awareness of Third World people that is built on white-controlled media and cultural stereotypes. It is essential to start on this work with a positive sense of ourselves as white people. We should be aware of the contradiction of benefitting from white privilege while working against it, but what is important is to sort out the differences between rights which should be available to all and privileges which are available to white people only and require the exploitation of Third World people to maintain. I know that some of us feel guilty about this white privilege-but this guilt, coming from a feeling of parson re¬ sponsibility, hopelessness and confusion about radsm, can be overcome by ex¬ amining with others the source of the guilt and how ft functions. (This is cur¬ rently being done on many campuses in the form of discussion groups or - classes - sometimes in Psychology Departments). The color of our skin-like exjr economic class and whether we are female or male was determined before we were bom. We can take pride in who we an while freeing ourselves to join with other white people In the common effort to end rac¬ ism and other forms of oppression. The following are some of the dairy reminders I try to adhere to while working on my struggle with racism. Interrupt racist remarks and jokes (pointing out how they encourage racial stereotypes). Use minority owned banks, shops, grocery stores, supply companies, music shops, contractors. Insurance and real estate agents (check affirm¬ ative action programs of City of Fres¬ no, County of Fresno, etc. There is no such thing as reverse racism (Third World people In the U.S. do not have sufficient economic and institutional power to dominate society; Third World anger against racism is not reverse racism). Celebrate other countries as well as our own (music,food, language). Buy publications (California Advocate Sentlmentos Magazine, etc.) and listen to radio and TV programs that are Third World owned or pm- duced (KSJV Radio Bilingue-TV Xl„ KLIP Radio, KFCF FM Radio). Point out the racist Implications of assumptions that come up In everyday conversations with people Show white people that gains made by Third World people do not hurt us (every positive and progressive step forward by Third World people leads to the liberation of us all, especially poor and working class whites). Help discourage actions that raise property values by working with cit¬ izen rights and public interest groups (Metro Ministry Low Income Housing groups, MAPA, El Condlto Black Political Countil, LaRaza Unida Party Citizens Party, etc.). . Join and encourage others ot loin with Third World groups in struggling for the liberation of all people through constructive social change efforts. In closing, I'd like to make It dear that my objective in sharing this letter is not to 'lay any trips* on anyone, but to discuss a problem that must be solved. If our society is to finally carry bout the dreams and Ideals laid out for us in the Declaration of Independence A Bill of Rights. We have a long ways to go, so let's not waste any more time. There's much hard work to be done! For more Information on the sub¬ ject I suggest: Reading the New Testa¬ ment (for Christians); writing to the Movement For A New Society Racism Task Force (4722 Baltimore Ave., Phil* , PA. 19143); and contacting the Human Rights Coalition (see previous article). Sincerely. Larry Sheeny Intramural To the Editor: Do Intramurals exist at California State University, Fresno? By reading our campus newspapers, the Csisglan and Insight I wonder if any Intramural pro¬ gram exists at all I Does anybody on our campus, besides those involved, realize that the final series of football playoff games are tak¬ ing placa these first two weeks in November? Of the more than 70 men's and women's teams that began the football season in earty September, 24 teams now survive vying for their respective league championships. My point here is that newspaper coveraee of intramural sports scarcely exists, if at all. It seems to me that the athletes involved In the sports deserve credit and recognition for their efforts andaccomDllshments. Manv or the participants are members active in other facets of college life. Inde¬ pendents dormitories, fraternities, sororities, various dubs and organiza¬ tions are all involved in the intramural program and should receive recognition / See Letters page 4 NAVY OFFICER. YOU GET RESPONSIBILITY THE MOMENT YOU GET THE STRIPES. A lot of consumes will offer yon an important seconding But bow many offer you a really important job? In the Navy, you get one as soon as you earn your com- pdmaon. A job irtth raavoMftflatj- A jc* that mjuira* skill and leadership. A job that* more than njat a job, because it's also an adventure. If that's the kind of jc-b youYa tooldng foe speak to your local recruiter. Contact: /•»frr. aXLIaTaCIa (415) 273-73T7 (O-tklausd) (401) 27f-3477 (Ma Jom) (il*) 3f»3-3387 (gw-resw-ato)
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Title | 1980_11 The Daily Collegian November 1980 |
Alternative Title | Daily Collegian (California State University, Fresno) |
Publisher | Associated Students of Fresno State, Fresno, Calif. |
Publication Date | 1980 |
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Contributors | Associated Students of Fresno State. |
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Title | Nov 12, 1980 Pg. 2-3 |
Alternative Title | Daily Collegian (California State University, Fresno) |
Publisher | Associated Students of Fresno State, Fresno, Calif. |
Publication Date | 1980 |
Description | Daily (except weedends) during the school year. Microfilm. Palo Alto, Calif.: BMI Library Microfilms, 1986- microfilm reels; 35 mm. Vol.1, no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- |
Subject | California State University, Fresno -- Periodicals. |
Contributors | Associated Students of Fresno State. |
Coverage | Vol.1 no.1 (Feb 8, 1922)- to present |
Format | Microfilm reels, 35 mm. |
Technical Information | Scanned at 600 dpi; TIFF; Microfilm ScanPro 2000 "E-image data" |
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Full-Text-Search | Pag«2 THE DAILY COLLEGIAN Wednesday. ?iove«aber 12,' 12,1 THE DAILY COLLEGIAN Editorial Being pragmatic Candidate Ronald Reagan made some awfully simplistic and ridiculous remarks during the camp¬ aign season. In one interview, he said mat air poll¬ ution was "substantially" under control. In another, he suggested sending American troops to Cuba to counter the Soviet Union' s rape of Afghanistan. The most surprising thing about these remarks is not that he said them, but that he seemed to believe what he said. A Reagan administration based on such narrow- minded remarks would be a dangerous one which might polarize world opinion against this country, at a time when flexible policy is needed to deal with the crucial foreign and domestic issues at hand. But if the current Carter-to-Reagan transition efforts are any indication, there's hope that a Reagan presidency will be tempered by pragmatism rather than shoot-from-the-hip rhetoric. It was good news this week to hear Reagan aides talk of the need to form a coalition government of sorts- one that would be responsive to a variety of political views, rather than right-wing religious groups like the Moral Majority. The Reasan team also supports the nomination of moderate Republican Howard Baker, R-Tenn., as the new Senate majority leader. It was also reassurins to hear that Reagan is considering sever¬ al politically middle-of-the-road figures like Sen. Henry Jackson tor administration posts, rather than right-wing extremists. With the campaign season over, Reagan can now settle down to the business of governing. We can only hope that President-elect Reagan will continue to show more common sense than candidate Reagan did. By Steve Schmidt K Letters to the Editor Existance of God To we Editor: it a nice to get a response at last from as intelligent and knowledgeable a letter writer as Professor Haas of the biology department. In many respects I agree .vmi much of Haas' letter of Nov. 4, al- uwjgn ne seems to assume, understand- aoiv out incorrectly, that I might be more in opposition to his position than I am. i agree with Haas that the evidence of UM natural world is insufficient to consti¬ tute 'proof* of the existence of God. Cer- uuuy not with absolute Euclidian logic. My point has been, though, that there ivave oeen numerous intelligent and sen- wuve men who thought the evidence was very good. I have mentioned Newton, fCatm, and von Harnack. The former two ieii tne evidence was so strong that it was sutficient proof for themselves, al- ► uwugn Kant said that he could not prove a to another person who did not admit tne validity of the evidence. it seems to me that the soundest sden- tino position is ignoticsm. I shall repeat —iot tne third time—'The scientific method is primarily based on an attitude 01 scepticism.* That has been my un¬ varying position in all my letters on this suoiect. Scientific evidence neither proves nor disproves the existence of God, and it is very unlikely that it will ever do so. i also believe that a theist position manes more sense than an atheist one. eiiner theism or atheism can be held only on the basis of a certain amount of laitn. The theist, however. Is usually mucn more aware and more honest aoout that component of faith than is the atneist. If I have interpreted Professor r-'iscner's remarks correctly, he believes mat science gives evidence—perhaps even proves—that there is no God. Tnat, however, is both inaccurate and illogical. It is illogical because empirical means can never prove the universal non-existence of anything—including unicorns. It is inaccurate in its concept of scientific method and .what science is try¬ ing to do. Science is probably unable to provide information about the First Cause of to answer 'why* the universe or anything exists. Perhaps, as Mr. Hurtt implies In his ! letter of Nov. 3, there is no teleology and no reason for us to strain to invent one. I understand that position, but what I do not accept, and what probably neither Professor Haas nor Mr. Hurtt would ac¬ cept, is the simplistic notion that science proves there is no God and there is no teleology or purpose in the universe. Science does not—and probably can not —prove anything on that score one way or another. I think that a theistk position has more evidence to support it than does an athe¬ istic one. There is after all an extraordin¬ ary degree of order and uniformity in the universe, and many feel it is unlikely that such a degree of order and uniform¬ ity came about by accident. Indeed it should be noted that the concept of uni¬ versal laws was developed almost exclu¬ sively in monotheistic cultures. Neither the Chinese, with their marvelous tech¬ nological inventiveness, nor the Hindus, with their highly developed mathemati¬ cal skills, quite got around to developing 'the notion of universal physical laws the way they were developed in Christian See Letter* page 3 Daily Collegian •auaWa.00 gaga a jaaja la | ilMte^Ma*" "■ BaalCaXSaalaSuuUilaaraXy. r—». aad ■nh mm. OfMaaa mpmmi ara ahaa »...Ja\*Taaa> fcjaa.nMaaai .i liiinaaiii ami farr* Maaaa. ra- Cariaa. Dmmt faaW. Jaaaa Wmmm »% jSaaaat *aa~ laaS». Jaffflmlaj n, Artar ima. Oiaaa Saabr, Or.g ot^^a, t*^7 C^^rra. amaaia/llii. fiaaa Malaaa. Ora* TVaa. Oaaa.aiJnniillli .Oaafaaaatra. JaaaMMaViaaajpr """par Afaar Ai.,.^,1 J |